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		<title>By: Matthew Rosenquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Rosenquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

I am not advocating disallowance of these tools and services, rather I recommend management take the time and care to diligently understand the risks and decide what will be allowable within their environment.   Employees, shareholders, governments, and customers rightfully hold management to making those decisions and ultimately hold them responsible for adverse effects.  

Visit the Intel Communities thread for more of this discussion.   http://communities.intel.com/openport/blogs/it/2007/09/26/social-applications-friend-or-foe-on-the-corporate-network#cf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>I am not advocating disallowance of these tools and services, rather I recommend management take the time and care to diligently understand the risks and decide what will be allowable within their environment.   Employees, shareholders, governments, and customers rightfully hold management to making those decisions and ultimately hold them responsible for adverse effects.  </p>
<p>Visit the Intel Communities thread for more of this discussion.   <a href="http://communities.intel.com/openport/blogs/it/2007/09/26/social-applications-friend-or-foe-on-the-corporate-network#cf" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/communities.intel.com');">http://communities.intel.com/openport/blogs/it/2007/09/26/social-applications-friend-or-foe-on-the-corporate-network#cf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Reading &#171; PR, New Media, GTD - Lines from Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekend Reading &#171; PR, New Media, GTD - Lines from Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: grey</title>
		<link>http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/2007/09/should-intel-ban-facebook/#comment-48210</link>
		<dc:creator>grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, as a total 3rd party - the mentions of infosec 'babysitting' employees is totally off the mark.

Believe me, there's usually too many fires to put out to worry about how any individual is spending his or her time, let alone tens of thousands of employees.

However, if these users run this software and is causes a security compromise, regardless of who was still getting their project timelines in on time - there's something afoot and the secops team or whatever needs to address that.

As far as that goes, I'd say Facebook (similar to Plaxo) offers some concerns, the default signup process encourages people to enter in credentials for various -other- sites so they can pull from you address books, buddy lists, etc. and for lack of a better term, spam them with invites.  I had several friends who were outright offended when they got these.  It's basically the internet equivalent of "get a low low discount if you give us the # of five of your friends!"  It's pretty scuzzy, absolutely has privacy and security concerns, and that's just the initial signup process.

Getting all up in arms about a risk assessment is acting like chicken little really - an assessment should be just that and isn't an immediate denial, nor is it carte blanche - after an assessment and review is made, then decisions happen, so stop putting the cart ahead of the horse.

Lastly, I'd say as a devil's advocate - who cares if work blocks everything anyway, even cell phones have good browsers, ssh clients, and fast network connections (evdo, hdspa and such) - use that, and don't worry about the corporate policy!  In turn, they won't worry about whether your cell phone/personal laptop gets compromised.

There's something to be said about keeping work and personal life separate.  I demand that work provides me a good laptop and highspeed network access so that I can VPN in from anywhere and do my job 24x7.  But if I want to have fun, I do it from a personal machine.

These days, Virtual Machines can make such separations even easier to do _potentially_ but again, as an information security professional, separate physical access will always trump separate VM's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, as a total 3rd party - the mentions of infosec &#8216;babysitting&#8217; employees is totally off the mark.</p>
<p>Believe me, there&#8217;s usually too many fires to put out to worry about how any individual is spending his or her time, let alone tens of thousands of employees.</p>
<p>However, if these users run this software and is causes a security compromise, regardless of who was still getting their project timelines in on time - there&#8217;s something afoot and the secops team or whatever needs to address that.</p>
<p>As far as that goes, I&#8217;d say Facebook (similar to Plaxo) offers some concerns, the default signup process encourages people to enter in credentials for various -other- sites so they can pull from you address books, buddy lists, etc. and for lack of a better term, spam them with invites.  I had several friends who were outright offended when they got these.  It&#8217;s basically the internet equivalent of &#8220;get a low low discount if you give us the # of five of your friends!&#8221;  It&#8217;s pretty scuzzy, absolutely has privacy and security concerns, and that&#8217;s just the initial signup process.</p>
<p>Getting all up in arms about a risk assessment is acting like chicken little really - an assessment should be just that and isn&#8217;t an immediate denial, nor is it carte blanche - after an assessment and review is made, then decisions happen, so stop putting the cart ahead of the horse.</p>
<p>Lastly, I&#8217;d say as a devil&#8217;s advocate - who cares if work blocks everything anyway, even cell phones have good browsers, ssh clients, and fast network connections (evdo, hdspa and such) - use that, and don&#8217;t worry about the corporate policy!  In turn, they won&#8217;t worry about whether your cell phone/personal laptop gets compromised.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s something to be said about keeping work and personal life separate.  I demand that work provides me a good laptop and highspeed network access so that I can VPN in from anywhere and do my job 24&#215;7.  But if I want to have fun, I do it from a personal machine.</p>
<p>These days, Virtual Machines can make such separations even easier to do _potentially_ but again, as an information security professional, separate physical access will always trump separate VM&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor</title>
		<link>http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/2007/09/should-intel-ban-facebook/#comment-48204</link>
		<dc:creator>Eleanor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of interesting work going on in adaptive and resilient computing that relates to security. Robert Ghanea-Hercock is a leader in this area. http://labs.bt.com/pict/RobertGhanea-Hercock.html, as is Fabrice Saffre http://research.bt.com/is/ and Intel's own Hong Li http://www.intel.com/technology/techresearch/people/bios/li_hong.htm

The new security paradigms are based on complexity science including crossover metaphors from epidemiology research.

I think the answer to some of these questions lies in this new science paradigm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of interesting work going on in adaptive and resilient computing that relates to security. Robert Ghanea-Hercock is a leader in this area. <a href="http://labs.bt.com/pict/RobertGhanea-Hercock.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/labs.bt.com');">http://labs.bt.com/pict/RobertGhanea-Hercock.html</a>, as is Fabrice Saffre <a href="http://research.bt.com/is/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/research.bt.com');">http://research.bt.com/is/</a> and Intel&#8217;s own Hong Li <a href="http://www.intel.com/technology/techresearch/people/bios/li_hong.htm" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.intel.com');">http://www.intel.com/technology/techresearch/people/bios/li_hong.htm</a></p>
<p>The new security paradigms are based on complexity science including crossover metaphors from epidemiology research.</p>
<p>I think the answer to some of these questions lies in this new science paradigm.</p>
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		<title>By: esteban</title>
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		<dc:creator>esteban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good insight, Eleanor. Yes, we are often excited about the new tech, software or hardware and I think a great many of actually jump on those beta bandwagons to participate and learn.

So to continue this, I'm curious what people think about dealing with the security issues that something like facebook raises. Assume the risks are information leakage (ie, contacts, etc) and client side attacks (ie, some app on facebook owns your brower and then your system which leads to slurping your data or making your system do something bad; send spam, DOS Estonia). So what do you all think the solution should be? How do we make this a safe technology for people to use?  

I'm curious about this from a few different perspectives.  What do you do to protect yourself (your kids, your friends, etc) at home? What do you do as an employee of a company with assets and business to protect (is your behavior different from that at home)? If you're the company what do you do to protect your business?

So to provide some starts: I'm inclined to focus more on user awareness and education along with aggressive patching of user systems. I'd Follow this with aggressive monitoring of the corporate network, ie, look for bad things. This only works when a machine is severely compromised;(IE becomes virus swamped, turns into a zombie and starts spamming, or shows evidence of being controlled remotely by bad guys. We could try to detect when the entire internal corporate address book (or a confidential strategic doc on a CIO admin workstation) is slurped up by a facebook application. I know this is all doom and gloom stuff and I don't want to focus on the details of those specific issues. Perhaps you can think of different or even more malicious scenarios. I'm more interested in what should we be considering when want to address the general risks within a corporate environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good insight, Eleanor. Yes, we are often excited about the new tech, software or hardware and I think a great many of actually jump on those beta bandwagons to participate and learn.</p>
<p>So to continue this, I&#8217;m curious what people think about dealing with the security issues that something like facebook raises. Assume the risks are information leakage (ie, contacts, etc) and client side attacks (ie, some app on facebook owns your brower and then your system which leads to slurping your data or making your system do something bad; send spam, DOS Estonia). So what do you all think the solution should be? How do we make this a safe technology for people to use?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about this from a few different perspectives.  What do you do to protect yourself (your kids, your friends, etc) at home? What do you do as an employee of a company with assets and business to protect (is your behavior different from that at home)? If you&#8217;re the company what do you do to protect your business?</p>
<p>So to provide some starts: I&#8217;m inclined to focus more on user awareness and education along with aggressive patching of user systems. I&#8217;d Follow this with aggressive monitoring of the corporate network, ie, look for bad things. This only works when a machine is severely compromised;(IE becomes virus swamped, turns into a zombie and starts spamming, or shows evidence of being controlled remotely by bad guys. We could try to detect when the entire internal corporate address book (or a confidential strategic doc on a CIO admin workstation) is slurped up by a facebook application. I know this is all doom and gloom stuff and I don&#8217;t want to focus on the details of those specific issues. Perhaps you can think of different or even more malicious scenarios. I&#8217;m more interested in what should we be considering when want to address the general risks within a corporate environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/2007/09/should-intel-ban-facebook/#comment-48156</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as someone who enjoys social media and considers it an important part of my job and learning, while working at a company that has blocked every popular social (facebook, myspace, youtube, twitter, you name it) site that exists, I can say it pretty much sucks and is a pointless effort.  You can babysit your employees all you want, but it should be about whether the job is getting done.  Also, the points about the blending of work time/personal-time are right on.  It's pointless because 1) there's always a way around, and you'll probably inadvertently encourage your employees to do riskier things (security-wise) when you put the blocks up and 2) as has been already said, if you want to slack, there are plenty of other ways to do it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as someone who enjoys social media and considers it an important part of my job and learning, while working at a company that has blocked every popular social (facebook, myspace, youtube, twitter, you name it) site that exists, I can say it pretty much sucks and is a pointless effort.  You can babysit your employees all you want, but it should be about whether the job is getting done.  Also, the points about the blending of work time/personal-time are right on.  It&#8217;s pointless because 1) there&#8217;s always a way around, and you&#8217;ll probably inadvertently encourage your employees to do riskier things (security-wise) when you put the blocks up and 2) as has been already said, if you want to slack, there are plenty of other ways to do it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eleanor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in reply to Esteban, it is easy for us experimental risk-taking types to want to go full steam ahead with new things. I myself have used experimental software of various kinds, mentally brushing aside the risk. But when I get a security review I find two things: 1. "Wow I did not know that data was being extracted by the program!"; 2. the security review person is usually excited about the software too and wants to find a way to make it work with the security guidelines. That is a real innovation opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in reply to Esteban, it is easy for us experimental risk-taking types to want to go full steam ahead with new things. I myself have used experimental software of various kinds, mentally brushing aside the risk. But when I get a security review I find two things: 1. &#8220;Wow I did not know that data was being extracted by the program!&#8221;; 2. the security review person is usually excited about the software too and wants to find a way to make it work with the security guidelines. That is a real innovation opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: esteban</title>
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		<dc:creator>esteban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a security people, we're commonly perceived as the ones who say "no" to every new thing.  Unfortunately, this is the result of our nature to consider carefully the implications of new technology, processes or automation. We need time to understand what it is, how it works, and most importantly how it can broken or exploited to the detriment of whatever it is we are trying to protect.  That's really where the "no" comes from. But we are human and we have different expertise and time. So that's why we have processes like Risk Assessments and Threat Assessments and things like Corporate information security policies that attempt to capture what is important for a company and it's employees to consider as they conduct their work for that company. 

Inherent to the process of understanding new technology is the fact that we, as security professionals, are in forced to understand the constant state of change and evolution. We need to keep up with evolving technology, its uses and users. Social network based systems and the automation surrounding it is the current wave of technology that a lot of us are still trying to wrap our heads around. I'm finding that we do need to move fast to comprehend the risks and explain them to not just the users of the tools and tech but also management.

Ultimately, our job is not to ban but to capture and document the danger to the corporation and allow the managers to either accept that risk or allow us to figure out what to do about it (if anything). Doing something about of course can include things like educate how people should follow policy in using these new tools and not just wholesale bans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a security people, we&#8217;re commonly perceived as the ones who say &#8220;no&#8221; to every new thing.  Unfortunately, this is the result of our nature to consider carefully the implications of new technology, processes or automation. We need time to understand what it is, how it works, and most importantly how it can broken or exploited to the detriment of whatever it is we are trying to protect.  That&#8217;s really where the &#8220;no&#8221; comes from. But we are human and we have different expertise and time. So that&#8217;s why we have processes like Risk Assessments and Threat Assessments and things like Corporate information security policies that attempt to capture what is important for a company and it&#8217;s employees to consider as they conduct their work for that company. </p>
<p>Inherent to the process of understanding new technology is the fact that we, as security professionals, are in forced to understand the constant state of change and evolution. We need to keep up with evolving technology, its uses and users. Social network based systems and the automation surrounding it is the current wave of technology that a lot of us are still trying to wrap our heads around. I&#8217;m finding that we do need to move fast to comprehend the risks and explain them to not just the users of the tools and tech but also management.</p>
<p>Ultimately, our job is not to ban but to capture and document the danger to the corporation and allow the managers to either accept that risk or allow us to figure out what to do about it (if anything). Doing something about of course can include things like educate how people should follow policy in using these new tools and not just wholesale bans.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice commercial reminder Toadster...  I agree with Eleanor. Read Matt's post, he is not asking to ban Facebook. But Josh is right, Facebook poses risks that have been in play, but have relied on governance via policies not firewalls.  IT pros do have a responsibilty to assess the business risk of emerging and popular social networks.  Just do it swiftly, its a fast moving tsunami.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice commercial reminder Toadster&#8230;  I agree with Eleanor. Read Matt&#8217;s post, he is not asking to ban Facebook. But Josh is right, Facebook poses risks that have been in play, but have relied on governance via policies not firewalls.  IT pros do have a responsibilty to assess the business risk of emerging and popular social networks.  Just do it swiftly, its a fast moving tsunami.</p>
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		<title>By: Intel Open Port: IT@Intel Blog: Social Applications - Friend or Foe on the Corporate Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intel Open Port: IT@Intel Blog: Social Applications - Friend or Foe on the Corporate Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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