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		<title>By: Josh Bancroft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Bancroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gray what a terrific idea! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gray what a terrific idea! <img src='http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a paintball lottery?  We put a department in a room and give each person a paintball gun with 3 balls in it.  The 10% with the most spots on them at the end of the firing period (10 minutes should do it) would be the ones who hit the door.  

I would be interested to see how many people:
     a)Shoot one person 3 times
     b)Shoot themselves 3 times

Came across a new user community trying to help people find out what it's like to work for a company.  There isn't much in the way of data yet but between surveys and forums it's a pretty interesting concept.  It's called Bizoplia (whatever the hell that means) and is at www.bizoplia.com  

Gray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a paintball lottery?  We put a department in a room and give each person a paintball gun with 3 balls in it.  The 10% with the most spots on them at the end of the firing period (10 minutes should do it) would be the ones who hit the door.  </p>
<p>I would be interested to see how many people:<br />
     a)Shoot one person 3 times<br />
     b)Shoot themselves 3 times</p>
<p>Came across a new user community trying to help people find out what it&#8217;s like to work for a company.  There isn&#8217;t much in the way of data yet but between surveys and forums it&#8217;s a pretty interesting concept.  It&#8217;s called Bizoplia (whatever the hell that means) and is at <a href="http://www.bizoplia.com" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.bizoplia.com');">http://www.bizoplia.com</a>  </p>
<p>Gray</p>
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		<title>By: The Unofficial Intel Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/2006/10/what-if-layoffs-were-done-as-a-random-lottery/#comment-29263</link>
		<dc:creator>The Unofficial Intel Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 03:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] sort of idea you posted here should belong to ME!But since it doesn't, I'm gonna poke a hole in it. Imagine you have a huge sock [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/2006/10/what-if-layoffs-were-done-as-a-random-lottery/#comment-9774</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like any asset, albeit the only one with an ego, humans should be treated according to their value relative to the customer's (company's) commercial objectives.  If, say, you have a need for X core engineering assets (humans) and have a supply of X + 3, you "redeploy" 3 of them.  I can understand that until the legal litmus tests are spun to sound like performance criteria.  For many years, my managers have applauded my efforts and graced me with promotions, salary bumps, and bonuses.   Now I'm a perfect "affected employee".  I'm not the worst performer nor the newest on our team; the others will testify to that.  I can guarantee that I have the highest salary; I'm a U.S. citizen; I'm a white male; I'm not gay; I don't have a life partner; I don't have a visible disability or covered sickness; I'm a known boat-rocker and get paid for it; I'm not yet 50; and I have a convenient brown mark on my HR record.  I would want to keep me but that's to be expected.

Performance rankings/ratings cannot be fully objective without a valid statistical sampling of comparable efforts in comparable times with comparable constraints and resources.  The lottery is at least blind but that doesn't make good business.  Being driven by legal-fee-avoidance is cowardly and the chosen strategy for Intel's "efficiency actions".  

Otellini is in trouble.  He can't afford to have a heart or a brain.  Barrett hosed us and Robin Boy Wonder is coming to our rescue.  I mean, their rescue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like any asset, albeit the only one with an ego, humans should be treated according to their value relative to the customer&#8217;s (company&#8217;s) commercial objectives.  If, say, you have a need for X core engineering assets (humans) and have a supply of X + 3, you &#8220;redeploy&#8221; 3 of them.  I can understand that until the legal litmus tests are spun to sound like performance criteria.  For many years, my managers have applauded my efforts and graced me with promotions, salary bumps, and bonuses.   Now I&#8217;m a perfect &#8220;affected employee&#8221;.  I&#8217;m not the worst performer nor the newest on our team; the others will testify to that.  I can guarantee that I have the highest salary; I&#8217;m a U.S. citizen; I&#8217;m a white male; I&#8217;m not gay; I don&#8217;t have a life partner; I don&#8217;t have a visible disability or covered sickness; I&#8217;m a known boat-rocker and get paid for it; I&#8217;m not yet 50; and I have a convenient brown mark on my HR record.  I would want to keep me but that&#8217;s to be expected.</p>
<p>Performance rankings/ratings cannot be fully objective without a valid statistical sampling of comparable efforts in comparable times with comparable constraints and resources.  The lottery is at least blind but that doesn&#8217;t make good business.  Being driven by legal-fee-avoidance is cowardly and the chosen strategy for Intel&#8217;s &#8220;efficiency actions&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Otellini is in trouble.  He can&#8217;t afford to have a heart or a brain.  Barrett hosed us and Robin Boy Wonder is coming to our rescue.  I mean, their rescue.</p>
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		<title>By: Amazed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote Josh:

"One thing that happens when things are drawn out for as long as they have been (six months), with everyone worried about their job, being less productive, and feeling the stress of not knowing, is that the really bright, talented, “best” people leave the company for somewhere else. And then you’re left with the people who were only worried about defending their job/justifying their existence."

This is clearly an oversimplification. YES, the company is bloated and full of people just putting in their time. YES, there are too many people who aren't good at what they do. But there are also many groups full of those who are. I work with some very smart, talented, and technical people. And yet I also see a lot of very non-technical people in charge of technical matters. This practice needs to stop - module owners need to know their supposed area of specialty in and out instead of being meeting jockeys for a living.

The suggestion of a lottery would only increase the odds of people being mismatched to their jobs and being under-qualified compared to a well thought out approach. I say it's a dumb idea. Sorry. But it won't make Intel a better company any more than the status quo will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote Josh:</p>
<p>&#8220;One thing that happens when things are drawn out for as long as they have been (six months), with everyone worried about their job, being less productive, and feeling the stress of not knowing, is that the really bright, talented, “best” people leave the company for somewhere else. And then you’re left with the people who were only worried about defending their job/justifying their existence.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is clearly an oversimplification. YES, the company is bloated and full of people just putting in their time. YES, there are too many people who aren&#8217;t good at what they do. But there are also many groups full of those who are. I work with some very smart, talented, and technical people. And yet I also see a lot of very non-technical people in charge of technical matters. This practice needs to stop - module owners need to know their supposed area of specialty in and out instead of being meeting jockeys for a living.</p>
<p>The suggestion of a lottery would only increase the odds of people being mismatched to their jobs and being under-qualified compared to a well thought out approach. I say it&#8217;s a dumb idea. Sorry. But it won&#8217;t make Intel a better company any more than the status quo will.</p>
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		<title>By: IntelWife</title>
		<link>http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/2006/10/what-if-layoffs-were-done-as-a-random-lottery/#comment-9613</link>
		<dc:creator>IntelWife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Purplegirl,

I agree with you. There is life after Intel. I hope that you get good news today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Purplegirl,</p>
<p>I agree with you. There is life after Intel. I hope that you get good news today!</p>
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		<title>By: Purplegirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Purplegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I'm an Intelite and I'll know my fate today.  Hopefully I get to stay as I very much enjoy my current job.  I haven't been working on a "Plan B" So if I get tapped I'll need to act fast to get another job. 

Having said that, I think it's all about a person's attitude as to how they handle the current situation.  It seems that some of the comments here have a "victim mentality".  Yes, working at Intel in the US is "at will", remember that it is a two way street.  You can give your 2 week's notice and leave Intel for any reason as well.  

We all have choices in this world.  Most people I know that have either left Intel or been kicked out during the 6 month layoff period have found jobs for substantially more money than their Intel job.  One person got $15,000 more another one got 40% more.  There is a life outside of Intel, you never know what could be out there.

Please don't misunderstand me, I work hard at Intel and have for over 11 1/2 years, but I don't believe that this is the only company in town.  I work hard to maintain an optomistic outlook, I just can't live in the doom &#38; gloom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I&#8217;m an Intelite and I&#8217;ll know my fate today.  Hopefully I get to stay as I very much enjoy my current job.  I haven&#8217;t been working on a &#8220;Plan B&#8221; So if I get tapped I&#8217;ll need to act fast to get another job. </p>
<p>Having said that, I think it&#8217;s all about a person&#8217;s attitude as to how they handle the current situation.  It seems that some of the comments here have a &#8220;victim mentality&#8221;.  Yes, working at Intel in the US is &#8220;at will&#8221;, remember that it is a two way street.  You can give your 2 week&#8217;s notice and leave Intel for any reason as well.  </p>
<p>We all have choices in this world.  Most people I know that have either left Intel or been kicked out during the 6 month layoff period have found jobs for substantially more money than their Intel job.  One person got $15,000 more another one got 40% more.  There is a life outside of Intel, you never know what could be out there.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t misunderstand me, I work hard at Intel and have for over 11 1/2 years, but I don&#8217;t believe that this is the only company in town.  I work hard to maintain an optomistic outlook, I just can&#8217;t live in the doom &amp; gloom.</p>
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		<title>By: GoneWithTheWind</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoneWithTheWind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the money is better if you take the immediate severance, and there are no open reqs at the moment, so the choice is pretty clear. Also, if you take the redeployment option and find a job before your time is up, they stop paying you. Of course if you find a job outside of Intel, how would they know...

I'm lucky that I can walk into a contract position with an old employer. Most folks aren't going to have that luck. I'm a technical writer, and the programming allows me to automate tasks, build new functionality, etc. to FrameMaker. I'm hoping that I can implement that with the new company and find a permanent position with them.

Speaking of that... I'm a technical writer, as I've said. We generally fall with the marketing group. So our marketing group decides to cut our jobs instead of actual marketing people. My manager says that they'll most likely contract out the job function. Not sure why she said that other than to piss me off... :-)

Does that sound like they are following the intent of the SET project?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the money is better if you take the immediate severance, and there are no open reqs at the moment, so the choice is pretty clear. Also, if you take the redeployment option and find a job before your time is up, they stop paying you. Of course if you find a job outside of Intel, how would they know&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m lucky that I can walk into a contract position with an old employer. Most folks aren&#8217;t going to have that luck. I&#8217;m a technical writer, and the programming allows me to automate tasks, build new functionality, etc. to FrameMaker. I&#8217;m hoping that I can implement that with the new company and find a permanent position with them.</p>
<p>Speaking of that&#8230; I&#8217;m a technical writer, as I&#8217;ve said. We generally fall with the marketing group. So our marketing group decides to cut our jobs instead of actual marketing people. My manager says that they&#8217;ll most likely contract out the job function. Not sure why she said that other than to piss me off&#8230; <img src='http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Does that sound like they are following the intent of the SET project?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Bancroft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Bancroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attrition is definitely playing a big part in the overall reduction numbers. When Paul outlined the 10,500 number, he explained how a few thousand of that was from attrition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attrition is definitely playing a big part in the overall reduction numbers. When Paul outlined the 10,500 number, he explained how a few thousand of that was from attrition.</p>
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		<title>By: IntelWife</title>
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		<dc:creator>IntelWife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life isn't fair, and neither is the layoff process. Sad truth of the matter. But like you said, the severance package is nice. Clearly you chose to take it, and not enter the redployment pool. Is this a skill that you can take to another company or are you going to have to start over again? I wonder if Intel is counting on a given number of employees choosing not to enter the redeployment pool or leave the company before the layoffs in order to hit a certain attrition level?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life isn&#8217;t fair, and neither is the layoff process. Sad truth of the matter. But like you said, the severance package is nice. Clearly you chose to take it, and not enter the redployment pool. Is this a skill that you can take to another company or are you going to have to start over again? I wonder if Intel is counting on a given number of employees choosing not to enter the redeployment pool or leave the company before the layoffs in order to hit a certain attrition level?</p>
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